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Leto Thule
Origin. Black Legion.
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Posted - 2015.06.12 23:07:03 -
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OP, quit that corp. If the guys you enjoy flying with are telling you things like "don't lose a ship", they are confused.
Ships are ammo.
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Leto Thule
Origin. Black Legion.
2857
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Posted - 2015.06.15 01:31:12 -
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Demerius Xenocratus wrote:Eh what was that about your corp not fighting? Bad neighbors just got dunked pretty hard. Vigilant and 1b ISK proteus down in Uedama.
5 provincia septim guys on the mail with 4 gilas and a domi so either someone got alts into that corp in record time or they do in fact know how to fight.
Thats even worse.
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Leto Thule
Origin. Black Legion.
2902
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Posted - 2015.06.21 04:49:34 -
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Demerius Xenocratus wrote:Freya Sertan wrote:Robert Caldera wrote:I wouldnt want to undock in HS during a wardec either. Simply because you cant tell what (how many neutral alts) you're going to face. LowSec or 0.0 on the other hand is a different story. Meh. So you undock and find a small gang and you proceed to get rekt. Or you find a solo and you get rekt. Or you find a solo and THEY get rekt. Far too many "what ifs" for me to sit and shipspin. I COULD win, and that's what drives me to undock. I couldn't care less if I lost my Rattlesnake on the next undock; it's a chance I take regardless. The chances of losing your ship are just a little raised in a war. Every time I hear someone offer an excuse as to why they hide from a wardec it just serves to remind me that I play EvE a very different way than some. Thanks for the replies, all. Eventually you run out of ISK for ships though, if you keep undocking expensive things into a hopeless situation. Unless your primary income comes from another account, which changes the calculation considerably. Many people in highsec who get wardecced are not in that position though. Personally I think telling people to undock into a fight they have almost no chance of winning is just as problematic as telling people not to undock unless for a sure win.
The best advice is to leave highsec. Wardecs don't matter then.
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Leto Thule
Origin. Black Legion.
2903
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Posted - 2015.06.23 00:52:06 -
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Lucas Kell wrote:Veers Belvar wrote:Omar Alharazaad wrote:Veers, you know there aren't any griefers in EVE.... they're too busy on public minecraft servers to have anything to do with internet spaceships.
So, hypothetically speaking. If I were to form a 1 man corp and wardec you Veers, would you reform and dodge the dec... or would you come out and play with me? It wouldn't be unfair. I'm pretty bad at pvp and you've got some nullsec green on your killboard. I'd pretty much be at a disadvantage. The former, of course. The art of winning is denying your opponents the opportunity to force you play THEIR game. Wardeccs aren't just about killing things, they are about forcing PvE players to PvP without CONCORD backup. Actually fighting the war means the wardeccer wins. Not normally being one to directly agree with Veers, with him simply being the other extreme opposite the "Everyone must be forced to die!" crowd, but this is very much the truth of it. If someone has no interest in the "pew pew" variety of PvP, they aren't forced to do that. EVE gives people plenty of options and evasion is simply one of them, and generally the most efficient one for small groups with no space assets and zero interest in shooting people.
I'm 100% for that Lucas, as long as evasion is active piloting skills and not being sheltered by theme park mechanics.
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Leto Thule
Origin. Black Legion.
2905
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Posted - 2015.06.23 21:40:36 -
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Lucas Kell wrote:Leto Thule wrote:I'm 100% for that Lucas, as long as evasion is active piloting skills and not being sheltered by theme park mechanics. Evasion comes in many forms. Like when people play docking games it's fine for them to use to safety of the station. Reforming a corp is only really available to small corps with no assets and it's part of the game. Learn to accept that if you pick a target that small that he's going to use valid mechanics to avoid you, just like the station huggers. Everything that's done in game will always be a mixture of player skills and mechanics. That you call them theme park is just your personal opinion. It doesn't make them objectively wrong. I'm sure there's loads of things you don't like that others do in many games, so like it or lump it.
I don't pick targets. Highsec is far too down the lane to candy castle for me, Lucas. Reforming a corp is fine, as long as there is a consequence for it, just like every other part of EVE. I don't expect people to make the same game choices that I do, but they should have to deal with people doing things they don't agree with too. It's the way the universe works.
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Leto Thule
Origin. Black Legion.
2905
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Posted - 2015.06.24 04:18:57 -
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Veers Belvar wrote:Petre en Thielles wrote:Veers Belvar wrote:The former, of course. The art of winning is denying your opponents the opportunity to force you play THEIR game. Wardeccs aren't just about killing things, they are about forcing PvE players to PvP without CONCORD backup. Actually fighting the war means the wardeccer wins. Being a "PvE player" in EVE isn't a thing that exists right now. I'm not sure you know what game you're playing. I heard it's called Eve. Highsec has an active and infallible police force enabling players to pursue PvE activities.
Wrong again, dear Veers. CONCORD destroys ships that redcard. They don't actively hunt anyone, and as many have seen, no ship is safe from enough DPS. And they are far from infallible, because if they were, no losses would occur.
How are those feathers working out?
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Leto Thule
Origin. Black Legion.
2906
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Posted - 2015.06.24 11:19:29 -
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Lucas - yeah, your right. But I don't know how much I care about 1 man corps. Personally I think if you close the corp you should have a fine which is paid to the wardeccer. I mean they "won", right? Actually that sounds awesome.
Both fatigue ideas are good as well. However... Wardec fatigue would, I think, mirror image the current problem. Without consequence, you would see wardec corps reforming to drop the fatigue.
Highsec war is broken, on both sides. Personally I never understood war in highsec, as there are very few corps that actually use it to gain moons or POCOs or whatever highseccers do. It's good for lols and killing people who don't know how to fit or fly. Yes, I know sometimes that's fun, just not my cup of tea most of the time.
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Leto Thule
Origin. Black Legion.
2908
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Posted - 2015.06.24 21:21:22 -
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Azn wrote:This thread was ok until the heaviest user of Anusol in known space, second only to Veers arrived.
Hi Lucas. Still furiously defending your low hanging fruit I see. Have you tried coughing?
Lucas is way better than Veers. Differing viewpoints are inevitable, at least Lucas defends his arguments with an attempt at logic. Veers just sucks.
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Leto Thule
Origin. Black Legion.
2908
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Posted - 2015.06.24 21:26:42 -
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Vimsy Vortis wrote:Leto Thule wrote:Lucas - yeah, your right. But I don't know how much I care about 1 man corps. Personally I think if you close the corp you should have a fine which is paid to the wardeccer. I mean they "won", right? Actually that sounds awesome.
Both fatigue ideas are good as well. However... Wardec fatigue would, I think, mirror image the current problem. Without consequence, you would see wardec corps reforming to drop the fatigue.
Highsec war is broken, on both sides. Personally I never understood war in highsec, as there are very few corps that actually use it to gain moons or POCOs or whatever highseccers do. It's good for lols and killing people who don't know how to fit or fly. Yes, I know sometimes that's fun, just not my cup of tea most of the time. Actually a lot of people use wars to get POCOs however because everything about the war system is so heavily biased in favor of the defender that 90% of the time they hire mercs to do it for them. Moons are less common because frankly they're an abundant resource and the difficulty of destroying a properly set up tower as well as the nuisance of POS reinforcement timers makes contracts to destroy them incredibly expensive. War fatigue timers would be enormously detrimental to mercenaries as they'd place a hard mechanical limit on your ability to take contracts, it would also be incompatible with the way corporations leaving alliances generates new wars. I also don't see how imposing limits on aggression would in any way improve highsec gameplay, which is already becoming increasingly devoid of ways for people to initiate conflicts. Similarly restrictions on people doing what they want regarding their corporation membership just prevents people from being part of the group they want to be in and ultimately if someone doesn't want to be at war and has nothing invested in their corporation they wouldn't be heavily impacted by being in an NPC corp anyway. The way to approach collapsing and reforming corporations as well as the ridiculous levels of passiveness of players in highsec corporations is to make corp membership and a corp being well established more valuable to players and worth defending. Adding punishments to running away and arbitrary limits on aggression would just annoy everyone involved.
Meh. The majority of highsec wardeccers I know aren't merc corps.
Honestly, I am somewhat surprised to see your viewpoint on corp rollers. I was thinking merc outfits like yours would be quite hateful of being blueballed... But then again I have never been a merc.
It bothers me how easily consequence is avoided in this game, especially being the recipient of a BAW asskicking myself at the start of my EVE life.
Edit: I'm a idiot... Aren't there already rules on repeat wardecs? Like a week downtime before you can Dec the same corp again?
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Leto Thule
Origin. Black Legion.
2908
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Posted - 2015.06.24 22:06:01 -
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Azn wrote:Leto Thule wrote:Azn wrote:This thread was ok until the heaviest user of Anusol in known space, second only to Veers arrived.
Hi Lucas. Still furiously defending your low hanging fruit I see. Have you tried coughing? Lucas is way better than Veers. Differing viewpoints are inevitable, at least Lucas defends his arguments with an attempt at logic. Veers just sucks. I just took you off the naughty list. You're wavering. Other people have noticed too.
I am nobody's punk, and I give no ***** if anyone has noticed anything. If we want the game to be fun, and not just a noob slaughterfest, it needs to be balanced... In BOTH ways.
I'm black ******* legion. Don't like what I have to say? Come get me.
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Leto Thule
Origin. Black Legion.
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Posted - 2015.06.25 15:35:00 -
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Petre en Thielles wrote:Vimsy Vortis wrote:Because the cost is justified as "paying for targets" if I get no targets I should not be paying.
Alternatively CCP could drop the pretense that you are paying for targets when you declare a war (because you really aren't) and admit that the entire purpose of cost scaling was specifically to benefit e-uni.
Basically I have a really old grudge against a really transparent and dishonest explanation given for a particular mechanic and feel that CCP have been really hypocritical about other mechanics that should logically be affected by the same principle.
I think I might have been playing eve too long. You are paying for the chance at a target. Move to low/null/WHs and you can get targets for free. Why not do that?
The belief that all pvp belongs in low sec zones is a bad one. The different security zones are vehicles to provide differing sets of mechanics based on what players want to do. It isn't intended as a pvp free area or some sort of safe zone.
Telling someone "go move here to do this" is detrimental to the core concept of "do whatever you want" that defines EVE.
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Leto Thule
Origin. Black Legion.
2916
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Posted - 2015.06.25 22:08:12 -
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Paranoid Loyd wrote:I can tell by your poorly thought out replies. You are usually on point, I may not agree with you but your arguments are usually solid. Your last two replies show your frustration.
Careful. You'll get some unknown alt all rowled up about how your not pro-ganker if you say Lucas knows how to communicate.
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Leto Thule
Origin. Black Legion.
2924
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Posted - 2015.06.26 22:07:24 -
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Just to ensure all parties are aware, holeysheet1 has never been a good poster, no matter with whom his current or previous association was kept.
A scared, docking ring scrublord who refuses thunderdome matches.
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Leto Thule
Origin. Black Legion.
2925
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Posted - 2015.06.27 01:11:26 -
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Paranoid Loyd wrote:I would just like to point out one would also have to be docked to take such a screenshot. How bout you tell us why you won't fight Leto?
He still hasn't realized that ships are ammo. I imagine that if he lost to me (no idea if he can fly or not, so anything can happen) he would flip out and rage.
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Leto Thule
Origin. Black Legion.
2925
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Posted - 2015.06.27 03:34:31 -
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HoleySheet1 wrote:Leto Thule wrote:Paranoid Loyd wrote:I would just like to point out one would also have to be docked to take such a screenshot. How bout you tell us why you won't fight Leto? He still hasn't realized that ships are ammo. I imagine that if he lost to me (no idea if he can fly or not, so anything can happen) he would flip out and rage. You will only fight me if you have carriers on standby....fact. leto thule is afraid of holeysheet1
Black Legion doesn't care about you enough to drop carriers.
How can you say I'm afraid, when you denied my challenge in your own thread?
It's all in good fun, man. I promise you, they will make more ships.
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Leto Thule
Origin. Black Legion.
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Posted - 2015.06.27 14:19:42 -
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Omar Alharazaad wrote:Holey, I really don't know you. I've read some of your posts and I've driven past you a few times. I've never flown with you. I have flown with Leto once, and while a single incident isn't nearly enough to draw any kind of statistical analysis from, I can at least convey what my observations were during that singular experience. He was willing to risk a fairly shiny cruiser (a gila) for the sole purpose of 'screw it, let's go have fun and roam around until we die'. Scratch that, risk isn't the right word. The undocking was done under the assumption that all ships involved would be destroyed. Period. Death was assured. Strangely enough, due to RL and other weird circumstances we totally failed to die. I had the weirdest sad moment when I successfully docked up my gila in high sec the next morning.
My point? If you fight him in a Thunderdome setting, you are going to get a real fight. No tricks from him, no traps. (I think he sends all the traps over to Serendipity Lost anyways). At least this is the impression I've gained due to my one experience. I may just be naive though and he's luring me into a false sense of security for the long con. Given I have no trannytos carriers to be scammed out of though I kinda doubt this. Take it as you will.
We need to do that again.
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